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Bryce's avatar

That story was remarkable—my wife and I first met around 25-26. She had come back from teaching abroad and lived with 1) her best from from college, and 2) an archetypal "third-wheel" friend. Got along well with the group as I was starting to get to know them/my [eventual] wife, but everything switched when we started dating. Third-wheel and Best Friend formed an alliance (Third-Wheel basically lived in a quasi-man-distrusting state) and basically made my wife's home a stewing resentment pot/war zone for several months. We usually had to go "out" to enjoy ourselves.

Worth pointing out that these were all Christian friends, the type who went to church weekly, read their Bibles regularly, prayed as a house before meals.

After we started dating, Best Friend would regularly "just ask questions" to my wife:

- "Are you sure he's the kind of guy you're looking for" (they had apparently day-dreamed together about foreign missionary husbands, while I was but a lowly Bible School graduate, serving in local ministry, helping to start a successful church plant, and editing and writing for one of the largest, well-known Christian online publishers)

- Are you sure you want to move (I was starting Grad School in another state)

Not sure what else to say, except it's all in Girard, who got it from Shakespeare.

After "the spell" was broken (when we got married), Best Friend snapped out of it and returned to her nice, sweet supportive, normal self. She has since apologized.

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I'm a Christian man in my late 20's actively looking for a wife. This week's digest and last week's digest articulate a number of the reasons why I'm not looking in the church to find a wife, and why I've used dating apps instead.

A couple years ago, I attended a worship event for young Christian professionals (20's and 30's) in my area. It was put on by a handful of nondenominational evangelical churches in and around my suburb. Most of those attending were single and ostensibly open to a relationship.

Despite all this, I was blown away by the relationship-negative messaging at the event. Multiple times during the service, both in the message and *during the worship*, sentiments like "if you're not absolutely completely positive that your relationship (E: is) honoring to God, you should break up" were expressed. While obviously that sentiment is true when interpreted strictly, young people (particularly young women) in a smoke-and-lights worship setting will inevitably interpret this is as a struggle session encouraging a breakup.

The alternative these people present to having a fun, loving, productive relationship is to ensure congregants are living the "holiest" lives they can. The practical ramifications of this ridiculous, Quakerish sentiment are indulging in meaningless self-flagellation, constant reconfiguration of the emotions, and accomplishing nothing tangible with your life -- this is framed as "holiness." (I believe TLP calls this narcissism.)

Between this event and other negative experiences I've had dating in the church, including some similar to what your reader has expressed, I've stopped pursuing women at church. The revealed preference is that this isn't something people want out of church anymore, nor is it something church leaders care to encourage. In fact, churches deploying rhetoric like the above actively take pride in breaking up relationships, not in building them. There's exceptions of course -- my brother is engaged to a girl he met at his church, but the culture there actively encourages and supports marriage, especially among young people.

Dating apps have treated me far better. I've enjoyed nearly every experience I've had, and I've learned something from each of them.

E: a word

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