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Benjamin L. Mabry's avatar

"Universal virtues" are a way of running away from the hard work that Aristotle sets out in his Ethics. You're right about courage, Aaron, but Aristotle takes it even further. He would say that it is potentially a vice for a woman to charge a large man with a knife, as well as for a teenager, a physically weak man, an elderly man, or a man who is not mentally prepared to do whatever violence is necessary to neutralize the knife-wielder. The Golden Mean is a favorite catch-phrase by the well-fed Right, but few seldom stop and think about what is means: that there is an individual virtue for each and every individual person and situation. It is exactly the differences - male or female, age, height, personality, social status, and so forth which are the *most important* factors in determining what is virtuous. If we refuse to say what is appropriate to a man or woman, to a child, a teen, an adult, a senior, to a rich man or a poor man, to a natural leader, to a father, to a neighbor, to a friend, to a countryman, to a fellow Christian, then French's words are ultimately meaningless. He sounds good prattling on about virtue, but his virtues are entirely hollow, devoid of any real content.

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I think this is a really good book that addresses this issue in an oblique way:

https://www.amazon.com/Conservative-Rediscovery-Yoram-Hazony/dp/1684511097

The problem of asking what a "universal value" is, is that it falls back on a liberal motif that there are self-evident truths of reason that reveal virtue.

I think the author of this book does well to articulate how what it desires to instill into men (or women) is based not on abstract, self-evident truths, but they are formed by a believing community.

The problem with French's approach (and the manosphere) is that it treats the man as an individual who needs to seek certain virtues that will cause him to flourish. Every person, in a modern liberal sense, is intended to seek certain ideals so they can be the best version of themselves. It's very individualistic, even if (supposedly) the benefit will be to the social unit.

When you attack the problem of the individual within a community, however, you still focus on what is good for the individual but it is the family, the Church, the locality, etc. that places constraints on the individual. To properly form a man, not merely as a selfish person concerned ultimately with how I will embody universal values I consider self-evident, the man must be able to see his end not only for himself but what he is intended for. This cannot be answered abstractly, but according to how a community and its belief system encourages fathers, sons, elders, etc. to embody values that are both revealed and are discerned by generations.

I appreciate the articles you write that criticize that Pastors tend to crap on men for what they’re failing to do. The problem is not only that these Pastors are criticizing selfish behavior, but they have no vision for how the boy becomes a man not for himself but within a family, within a Church. This is not merely taught but “caught” by a believing community living out values that men can inhabit – not abstract, self-evident values but actual values being lived out.

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