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Spouting Thomas's avatar

Thanks for this write-up, Aaron. It sounds like this work is highly uneven, with good insights mixed with inexcusably bad ones. There are some advantages to an outsider's perspective when it comes to cultural criticism, but more disadvantages, I think. At least if you don't ever spend enough time in the country you're criticizing.

I want to point out that I don't think Douthat even said what Todd says he said about evangelicals. I read Douthat's "Bad Religion" several years ago. It's a good book, with a good summary of the mid-20th century Mainline and its collapse. IIRC insofar as it criticized "evangelicals", it was criticizing Osteen and Prosperity Gospel. While Douthat is obviously Catholic and not Protestant, I don't think you'll ever find him referring to SBC or PCA doctrine as "heresy" the way he does Prosperity Gospel.

My guess is that Todd probably didn't really even read Douthat's book, he just skimmed a few parts and somehow came away with an understanding that Osteen and American evangelicalism are synonymous.

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"If Protestantism brought positives to Europe, it also introduced the idea of inequality in a profound way, through its idea of the elect and the damned. "

Much of the analysis here is flawed because of a lack of understanding about theology and progressivism. This statement, which undergirds the entire piece, assumes:

Protestantism == Calvanism + post/a-millennialism + covenant theology

There are many branches of protestant thought. If you look through American history--and world history, actually, but let's keep things simple for the moment--postmil thought always captures most of the protestant and catholic churches when progressivism is ascendant. Between progressive ages, premil and other forms of Christian thought are dominant in the church.

Where did Christian forms of racism come from? A Calvinistic understanding of the Scriptures combined with a postmil view of the world that meshed well with Darwinian theory. Where did those who opposed racism come from? The "other side of the reformation" and some parts of the Catholic church. Specifically, the amil parts of the Catholic church and the premil parts of the protestant churches. On the protestant side, specifically, it is the spiritual heritage of the Anabaptists and the "reformer's stepchildren" that opposed the Darwinian view of "progress through eugenics" and it's racist ilk.

If you can see the difference, you will suddenly make a lot more sense out of things like the varied reaction within the Catholic church to the Third Reich, the Crusades, and many many other things.

It's unfortunate that we, today, think we have "risen above" theology, or that theology doesn't matter. The most radical thing God said during the Exodus is that each child of Jacob is his child. Progressivism inherently treats people as malleable objects rather than as children of God--this is the root of slavery, racism, and even surveillance capitalism.

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