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Greg Scalise's avatar

Amen! This all aligns with my experience as a conservative mainline pastor in my 20s.

When I went to seminary I received financial support from the school and my denomination so I graduated debt free. They even helped with my living expenses. As a seminarian I was asked by the denomination to fill in preaching at churches without pastors and by my second year I was the part-time lead pastor of a small church. During my last year I interviewed with multiple churches for lead pastor roles and landed at a wonderful church in a growing city. I’m grateful to God and to my denomination for all of this.

Life was not so easy for my friends in the PCA/ACNA/etc. who received less financial support and who often settled for pastoral residencies and associate roles after graduation. These denominations are growing, but they seem to be more popular with clergy than laypeople. Meanwhile the doors are wide open in the mainline. For example, I had a friend in seminary attending a very popular local church which was not mainline and which had a dozen other seminarians in the pews. When he met with the lead pastor about serving, he was basically told to wait his turn and spend some time getting to know people first. When he instead went to a mainline church the next town over, he was given an internship and preaching opportunities.

And to your point about boomer leadership, someone like Keller was more of a historical figure than a leader to me. My seminary professors assigned his books, there was a scholarship named after him, he passed away before I graduated, but I didn’t encounter his work organically the way many millennials did.

I hope Redeemed Zoomer will be able to popularize this path for more pastors. I tried to proselytize for the mainline at my seminary and it was hard to make converts. Everything about it was foreign to people who grew up evangelical, but Redeemed Zoomer is fixing that. If anyone out there wants to learn more about becoming a mainline American Baptist pastor, feel free to reach out.

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Spouting Thomas's avatar

Enjoyed the thoughts.

I think the remark rings very true to me that Project Reconquista and re-urbanization both required a new generational perspective. It's psychologically a lot more difficult for the old to try to reconquer and rehabilitate ground that they have personally seen laid to waste, while to the eyes of the youth that wasteland is terra nullius.

I notice a lot of the Zoomer men at my church listen to RZ. I don't know how much they care about Christological hair-splitting though. I'm inclined to think that's one of RZ's personal quirks. But it's true that MacArthur doesn't mean much to them.

Yet overall I don't think that faithful Zoomers are really that different from faithful Millennials in terms of how we think about theology. I see Millennials as the apologetics generation, in terms of devouring apologetics content like never before, even if it was produced by Boomers and Gen X in our youth. The early Internet was dominated by Christian vs. atheist debates, and Internet apologetics arose at a time with a new thirst for information and a needed response to the New Atheists when we were in high school and college.

We also have dealt with total alienation from secular peers over homosexuality -- either having to keep our mouths shut or end friendships. Maybe Gen X dealt with this as well, but I don't see this as much among Boomers.

On both of these, I don't see Gen Z as being in all that different of a place; they have much more in common with us than we do with the older generations. They too devour apologetics, and homosexuality remains a point of irreconcilable difference with secular peers.

One other thing I notice though -- especially poignant with Charlie Kirk's death -- is that college seems to have been an even more hostile environment for them than for us, which leaves those that rejected woke culture a lot more hostile and bitter towards it than we are. To a lot of Millennials around me, living here in a conservative area, woke has always seemed very far away.

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