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Fred Visser's avatar

As someone for whom the intellectual coherence of young earth apologetics arguments substantially strengthens my faith, I'm always disappointed when Christians don't bother to actually engage the arguments before rejecting them.

Christian apologetic organizations compellingly explain the history and science to everyone from toddlers to PhDs, but if you're not even willing to hear solid Biblical and scientific arguments because your elite status looks down on the low-class believers who treat it seriously, you may want to reconsider your priorities (Matthew 19:16)

https://answersingenesis.org/creationism/old-earth/deep-time-and-churchs-compromise-historical-background/

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PolycarpGyarados's avatar

I hope you don't mind me sharing...

"He explicitly sees religion through the lens of socio-economic status. Once he saw that it was possible to be Christian in the world of the elites, it became interesting and credible to him again."

I've been here, nowhere near the success of Vance... but I did leave a Pentecostal home to go join the Marines and then while not apostatizing... just didn't participate in my faith... didn't even realize I didn't bring my Bible. After I left the Marines, I went searching on why raised by a good Bible believing, prayerful father how I could coast so far. Eventually, I met my wife and found my way into Roman Catholicism. If you asked me several years ago how I felt about evangelicals, I would probably feel the same way you conclude Vance does. I was big into apologetics, how faith, reason, and science can all get along. There were already a few cracks in that armor by that point though. COVID was the final nail in the coffin, but before that I always remember the time I was in deep fear over my wife's second pregnancy and distraught with worry. My father, who rarely went to his Church, but reads the Bible constantly, and prays fervently comes up to me and asks me to trust in the Lord, asks me if I trust him and I remember tearfully admitting that despite my new intellectually awesome Catholic faith that I did in fact not trust Him to protect my wife. All the apologetics, council knowledge, trendy trad culture seemed like Saint Aquinas' 'all is straw' statement. It was an enlightening moment. Evangelicals that think they have nothing in common or to offer higher liturgical traditions are wrong.

I've been warning newer and mostly younger Catholics similar to J.D. Vance that choosing this because it's the cooler, smarter Christianity is going to lead to either a dead end or some roadblocks. Eastern Christianity seems to have a handle on this really well, and people like Fr. Hezekias Carnazzo will tell you Roman Catholicism has a real horse before the cart problem. I think some Roman trads are a bit more aware, but we have to remember our God is one of the supernatural and is a mystical faith that involves communication, prayer, and trust. Not just the practice... but the practice of putting our faith in action. I'm hoping Vance will hit this point during his tenure as VP. I'm really worried how the current GOP is posturing away from the culture wars.

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