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I enjoyed the post and thought it was spot on. I also concur with Rich as a retired Army officer; and didn't read much of Keller and think Piper is way too obtuse. A servant leader is one who puts the mission first and takes care of his troops. Applying this to being the head of a family is making decisions based on what's best for my family - not what pleases my wife. I know after 43 years of marriage, three children and seven grandchildren - and my family knows too - the angriest I have gotten is when I have given in just to get peace while knowing it was not the best decision. I think that's why most pastors don't really preach correctly on servant leadership because they want peace and know they will have a bunch of female congregants (mostly college-indoctrinated) complain to them.

I encourage young men to get married for several benefits. One is you are not alone. Two, regular sex with someone is great and gets better over time. Three, kids are fun. Not always, but they are great at all ages. When they are infants, toddlers, children, teenagers (yes, even then), and as adults - particularly when they have their own children.

Many say that you need to work on your marriage, but I argue that you need to have fun with your marriage. Although, God called work good, we tend to think of it as drudgery. Marriage and children are not drudgery - it is the ultimate source of fun. Of course, it is not that way all the time, but the vast majority of it is fun and even the bad times in retrospect have fun in them.

This ends the mini-sermon.

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It took me some time to get to the point where I wasn't concerned about the direction the argument was going, but eventually followed it and thinik that the overall point is very sound.

I am often very thankful that I spent 21 years in the Marine Cortps because, if I had not, I might not have had any antibodies to models of leadership that come out of the Evangelical world.

There are 14 leadership traits in the Marine Corps and one of them is unselfishness. It is not necessarily the most important but ti does get at some of the differentiation between that idea that one treats others as servants or how to properly serve others.

One of the things instilled in you early as a Marine Officer is that you eat last. You make sure that all the troops eat and then the Staff NCO's and the last to eat are the Officers. It's so instilled in me that at a recent luncheon, I reminded a bunch of retured Marines to get in line because there are "...no Lance Corporals here" and to grab some food.

I'm not trying to conflate all military leadership to the kinds of things that happen in the Church. I'm simply noting that there are some "light of nature" concepts that resonate with the spirit of the kind of leadership that focuses upon a definitive mission but also has a place for how it treats the people who are under the leader's charge. I had to let someone go from my company the other day and I was almost in tears when he praised me for bieng one of the best people he's ever worked for. The idea that you treat people with diginity and kindness and watch out for them is not in competition with the idea that you set the pace and the direction for them.

In fact, what I often see as an error among many is the idea that being "nice" in spritiual leadreship is the principle virtue of being a servant. The fact is that the two most abusive kinds of places to work are either the leader who is a jerk and serves his own interests or the leader who is nice but never really watches out fo his people and protects them. I've worked for both. I've also worked for leaders who were personally "prickly" but took care of you. You may not have wanted to hug them but you also kew that you were going to be treated fairly and well.

Sorry if I'm waxing long. It just makes me think about the fact that the vision for what it means to be a man or a leader is profoundly short sigthed by many. If the Pastor is going to simply repeat these tropes or not have a vision for manhood or leadership other than a thinly defined idea that can fit on a postcard then men will have to go elsehwere to learn about what it means to be a man and (as you've indicated) the places they land may not be healthy (and I'm not talking about the Air Force).

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