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Re: I don’t think, given the choice, any of us would go back to living in the 1870s or the 1950s or even the 1980s.

The 80s? Maybe. That's a time I remember--I was a teenager through most of it.

But one thing to be very clear on: giving up modern (post industrial revolution) technology wholesale, across the board everywhere means the deaths of billions.

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Good piece. I think this is generally true. Two exceptions I would have with it:

1. Something needs to be said about coordination problems. I don't want to give up my smartphone if I'm the only one doing it. But would I prefer to live in a world where smartphones were never invented, or one where the entire world agreed to unmake them? It's at least a tougher question, though it could only ever be a hypothetical, fantasy scenario. Even entering into a voluntary community where everyone forsakes technology is very different from abolishing them from the planet, because now you're an outsider trying to make do in a world built around technology you refuse to use.

2. Point taken that I wouldn't want to live in the 1890s. But I think there is a strong case for preferring the decade of the 2000s over everything that came after.

The 2010s were a decade of cultural degradation, accompanied by a stagnation in the advance of consumer conveniences. In that decade, we saw the beginning of Internet deterioration: en**itification. Much of the consumer surplus of the early Internet was harvested in the form of SaaS profits. Social media became more dominant while simultaneously degrading in consumer experience; Facebook went from an ad-light place where your friends posted, to a site dominated by ads and "suggested content." The 2010s were when the Internet began to break through more clearly into the real world, when people could no longer log off. Woke was one of the first consequences.

Meanwhile, for the first time since the rise of consumer electronics in the 1970s, these conveniences saw no meaningful improvements in the decade of the 2010s: cell phones, PCs, and game consoles were all fully mature technologies by 2011-2012; further improvements were incremental and difficult to notice. Netflix streaming circa 2011 was already very good, and an amazing value, never to be replicated.

I'm more optimistic about the 2020s so far. Maybe AI will prove to be a disaster in the end. But so far it is at least not an *unmitigated* disaster, which is more than can be said for the 2010s.

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