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Matthew Miner's avatar

Dear Aaron, Mary Jo, and all - Matt Miner here, an elder in the OPC, a sister denomination of the PCA.

A helpful distinction exists between, in Michael Horton's words, "Cult & Culture" referring to church practices and cultural practices, explored in Horton's writings on two kingdoms theology. The error of the "tax law attorney" practice is applying what may be applicable in a cultural context to the Christian home or to the church.

Concerning the church's ministry proper (preaching, sacrament, worship practices, discipline), we are constrained by God's affirmative command, whereas in cultural matters - who does the laundry, what 'powerful' roles women pursue in culture as scientists, business executives, or politicians - we are free in Christ to do what's wise that is not explicitly forbidden by God's command.

God governs his church ("Cult" in Horton's language) differently than he governs common things ("Culture"). God gave men unique commands in Christian homes and in the church because that's what he chose to do. Why is this so? Because God says so. And who are you, o man, to answer back to God?

On a separate note, I appreciate your encouragement, Aaron, to consider a Christian anthropology of the roles of men and women. I have benefitted from Michael Foster's work on this topic.

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Mary Jo Cleaver's avatar

Sometimes it seems as if this argument is over the number of angels who can fit on the head of a pin (if you haven't heard of this imaginary argument, it might be a mostly Catholic joke).

I see two approaches here:

The first: what is the biblical role of men in the church? Is it exactly as the bible prescribes and no more, or is it as the bible specifically describes plus any other similar roles?

The second: what is the biblical role of women in the church? Since there is no clearly defined role for women in church, do women, thus have no role at all in the church? Or may they have any role that is not proscribed to them (whether using the strict or expanded definitions above).

I am not a biblical scholar and I am a "mere" woman (does this mean that I cannot biblically weight in on this question?). Well, I'm going to, anyway.

Because when I read these arguments, it appears to me that many of these arguments have the entire process backward; rather than turning to scripture for the answer, they are turning to scripture to support their pre-determined preferences.

As I said, I am no biblical scholar (are women allowed to be biblical scholars?), but as as a 74-year-old woman no longer married, I have as much free choice as anyone else to choose a church.

And I would choose one that isn't arguing over the number of angels on the head of a pin. I simply can't imagine that if I accept Jesus as my Lord and Savior that I would be denied heaven because some of the men he put in charge of the church are more determined to build their own kingdoms than God's.

And you know how I would know the difference? I would look to everything else they do. If they follow the scripture faithfully in all other endeavors, then I would view their decision on this topic to be as guided by the Holy Spirit as on all other topics. If they are not following the scripture in their other endeavors, then how would know that any decision was biblically based?

P.S. One of the reasons I left the Catholic Church is because of its made-up sins (though being from Wisconsin, I enjoy the Friday fish fry!).

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