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Re: Colorado

Trump’s 2024 election win overshadowed Colorado voting on par with Illinois and New York. Colorado is the heavily white college educated town with no opposing coalition to it on a statewide level. It will be interesting to see how that experiment continues to play out.

Re: SEC

In the 1960’s, there was a group of Southern Ivies that looked to start the Magnolia Conference. It included schools like Vanderbilt, Tulane, SMU, Rice, Georgia Tech, and Duke. If it came to fruition, they probably add a school like Miami, Virginia, or TCU. It would have been interesting to see the result in a world of Ivy League elite schools in the northeast versus Southern Ivies situated in booming Sun Belt cities and states with SEC aesthetics.

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Re: "Californication." It's mostly about cost of living. The fact is that you can sell a house in an expensive region (like coastal california, NYC tri-state area, etc), move somewhere cheaper, buy a new house and invest the difference. This is the single biggest driver of migration, especially among the older set (retirement age). Colorado, like California, has stunning natural amenities, and was cheaper until recently (it's still cheaper than CA, but the difference is much smaller than it used to be). People usually want to move to states that still have opportunities and activity going on, so they go to places like TX or FL as opposed to truly cheap places like MS or WV, at least in aggregate.

More broadly, state lines actually obscure the trends. If you look at a large state with a still growing population, such as TX, you see that what's happening is that rural parts of TX continue to slowly depopulate while the metros drive the lion's share of the population growth. (https://demographics.texas.gov/Visualizations/2024/Estimates2024/ slightly old but gives the idea). What people in working age groups are doing, by and large, is sorting into two separate subsets. Most, by the numbers, are moving to metros with decent economies (job opportunities) where cost of living is still attainable. TX, as a state, does well here because it has 4 such metros. Another subset pursues high paying careers in expensive cities that have good job markets but very high cost of living (your NYC, SF, etc). California has several of these types of cities (SF, SJ, LA, SD). The absolute number of working age people who can afford to get started in these markets is smaller, so that combined with the retirement cash-out effect described above drives the migration pattern of wealth concentration but population flatlining.

Most new housing in the US these days is being built in suburban and exurban counties, as opposed to downtown cores. There are many reasons for this, that vary from region to region, but that's the trend. Examples:

GA (https://www.axios.com/local/atlanta/2023/04/11/georgia-population-changes-pandemic)

NC (https://www.axios.com/local/raleigh/2025/01/07/north-carolina-population-growth-cities-wake-chatham-census)

Notice the "donut" surrounding Atlanta, and see how few counties in NC are really driving most of that state's population growth.

The pattern is similar even in "blue" states:

MN (https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2021/08/17/minnesota-county-population-growth-map-census)

CA (https://www.axios.com/local/san-diego/2025/01/02/population-counties-california-shift-trends),

Note the migration to lower cost inland counties in CA, for example.

Other states mirror this pattern. Rural areas with no jobs are depopulating, people are migrating to counties that have affordable real estate + job market access. The sunbelt is where most of these counties in the US are nowadays.

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