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Spouting Thomas's avatar

On the Korean fertility bounce:

Lyman Stone is on the record for attributing this directly to increased government incentives for marriage and children. He tends to be on that side of these debates though: that government incentives CAN make a real difference, especially if well-designed. To me, promoting marriage sounds like it is often going to be a better investment than trying to promote children directly. This probably goes double in NE Asian societies, where marital fertility is still reasonably high, and out-of-wedlock fertility is effectively zero.

The US tax/welfare-system, of course, penalizes marriage in many ways, especially for the lower/working-classes. I think one of the largest is that large subsidies exist for daycare, and they are designed such that they can only really be used by single mothers. I read somewhere that benefit might be worth upwards of $10,000/year.

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Millennial, but I resonate with the Gen-Z male attitude you speak of. Many of us have abandoned the pursuit of “regular jobs” and “regular lives,” including marriage, because it has been communicated in so many ways that we’re not valued even when we want to positively contribute to society.

Even before the pandemic and Great Remote Leap Forward to online life, rejection and indifference defined much of formative experience.

Feeling distracted and lonely 8 hours a day in classrooms with dozens of rowdy students?

—You have a learning disability.

Feeling worn down from an endless cycle of thoughtful applications, interviews, and ghosting by employers paying offering $15 per hour?

—You’re being entitled.

Tired of being strung along by potential dates who just want to text/DM before going silent at the suggestion of an in-person meeting?

—Quit being toxic, Incel.

Men going their own way isn’t always about misogyny or laziness. Sometimes, it’s just people responding to the incentive structure they inhabit.

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