I really appreciate the discussion, but I feel like they're maybe caught up in the ivory tower too much. They were right that (Baudrillard, Deluezian) pomo peaked in the 90s, but it hasn't been pomo since the negative era — it's been metamodernism (which is post pomo).
I think their analysis is rather "empirical", as in they point out some accepted variables and treat those as causative (even if not a cause in itself). The separation of family through technology, or whichever, is derivative of a causative event or ideological strain. I don't think they'd ever be able to map the causative factors in the middle Atlantic accent's incipience, nor its decline, besides a few regurgitated soundbites.
If you could afford me patience, I'd like to throw in a few more salient facts. The pietistic protestant (rousseau was heavily influenced by pietism) faiths were actually extremely aligned with Christian socialism, temperance, labor movements, women's rights etc. Those movements secularized easily. You see the temperance movement feature Carry A. Nation lamenting Jesus creating water from wine and the Elizabeth Cady Stanton "bible" (featuring the infamous, and now regurgitated, "learning about hell as a child scared me and is child abuse" take). These were expressions of pietist faith, but they were relatively divorced from the great commission that they secularized where adherents were more radical about the ideas. You might see the parallel with the progressive Christians trying to promote green stuff without linking it to the great commission. Those uk, finnish, usa, etc institutions secularized at that point because protestantism has no issue with a secular nature (there's a theological necessity for it for protestantism(edit: otherwise there'snothing to protest!)). So, in the end of these projects, we end up seeing no place for Christianity. This differs strongly from the baroque movement which was a catholic aesthetics movement in music, architecture etc which sought to be a narrative over the enlightenment and some renaissance stuff. Baroque never gained a science or episteme, so it eventually degraded into rococo and chinoiserie.
I really appreciate the discussion, but I feel like they're maybe caught up in the ivory tower too much. They were right that (Baudrillard, Deluezian) pomo peaked in the 90s, but it hasn't been pomo since the negative era — it's been metamodernism (which is post pomo).
I think their analysis is rather "empirical", as in they point out some accepted variables and treat those as causative (even if not a cause in itself). The separation of family through technology, or whichever, is derivative of a causative event or ideological strain. I don't think they'd ever be able to map the causative factors in the middle Atlantic accent's incipience, nor its decline, besides a few regurgitated soundbites.
If you could afford me patience, I'd like to throw in a few more salient facts. The pietistic protestant (rousseau was heavily influenced by pietism) faiths were actually extremely aligned with Christian socialism, temperance, labor movements, women's rights etc. Those movements secularized easily. You see the temperance movement feature Carry A. Nation lamenting Jesus creating water from wine and the Elizabeth Cady Stanton "bible" (featuring the infamous, and now regurgitated, "learning about hell as a child scared me and is child abuse" take). These were expressions of pietist faith, but they were relatively divorced from the great commission that they secularized where adherents were more radical about the ideas. You might see the parallel with the progressive Christians trying to promote green stuff without linking it to the great commission. Those uk, finnish, usa, etc institutions secularized at that point because protestantism has no issue with a secular nature (there's a theological necessity for it for protestantism(edit: otherwise there'snothing to protest!)). So, in the end of these projects, we end up seeing no place for Christianity. This differs strongly from the baroque movement which was a catholic aesthetics movement in music, architecture etc which sought to be a narrative over the enlightenment and some renaissance stuff. Baroque never gained a science or episteme, so it eventually degraded into rococo and chinoiserie.