So, didn’t realize there’s a book called Outliers. Wondering if that’s the impetus for the original group?


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There's a couple of thoughts that come to mind: for one, most Protestants have lost the ability to distinguish between sin and vice, which was a clear distinction to the great Reformers. While the vast majority of vices are also sins, they represent distinct ways of looking at problems. Vices are bad because they reduce our positive capacities for action, or have bad consequences, and are a sub-soteriological way of looking at human behavior. Modern pastors seem to think that if it's not clearly a sin, it's simply a vice, it's not their business to condemn it. Talking about petty vices opens them up to the common dishonest left-wing tactic of saying "if gambling, why not tobacco, video games, obesity, or other vices of excess." And more importantly, it runs against the deeply-seated secular religious maxim that whatever is consensual cannot be immoral.

The cynic in me wants to say that Evangelical elites simply don't care about vices that mostly harm the working classes, but in this case it's probably a broader acculturation to upper-middle class secular norms and a less malign ignorance of the way poor people live.

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Gambling and pornography… two of the most widespread, soul-destroying vices, both now near omnipresent in communities as they are both easily accessible from the smartphones every normie Christian parent lets their children have… and you can go years in “respectable” churches without hearing a single word about either from the pulpit. Just pathetic.

(We are blessed in our church to have a pastor who preaches fearlessly on these topics but we ain’t that respectable ; ) )

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