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Benjamin L. Mabry's avatar

What's overlooked about the Boy Scouts collapse is the generational structure. I was a Life Scout, and in turn volunteered as a pack leader for my son's Cub Scout troop right around the time of the Great Awokening. Amidst all the crazy proclamations coming down from the Council and the National bodies, we pulled my son out of the program. I'm not saying that it was all "The Woke's Fault." That's stupid. But Scouting conflicted with piano lessons (which my son liked more), the pack was large but completely disorganized, the local troop was struggling for numbers, and it was another straw on the camel's back. If Scouting was worth it, we could have worked around a difficult schedule, but it wasn't.

But the issue is that now my son is 16. He's the age of the would-be troop leaders. All the potential troop and patrol leaders who would be there to mentor your 11-12 year-old tenderfeet dropped out years ago. A functional troop depends, not just on the adults, but on the older boys bringing the new boys into the fold. The problem isn't just numbers. The real problem is that the living tradition has died and has to be built back from scratch. A 40-year-old man can't substitute in this role. The tenderfeet need Life and Eagle Scouts. To borrow the symbols from the Cubs, they need a pack as much as they need a Cubmaster.

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Great discussion this week.

On the Boy Scouts, I think your points are all valid. Back in the 1990s, my experiences with Scouts were mixed. One thing I'll say though is that even then, for some reason, my Scoutmaster's overbearing wife was too involved. She came to summer camp, seemingly just to nag us, when I initially thought avoiding that sort of thing was the bare minimum value proposition that Scouts was offering me. Now, I legitimately needed to get my crap together, but to a teenage boy, being informed of this by a respected male authority figure just comes across differently than from a harridan of a woman. Isn't that the whole idea? I wasn't the only member of the troop that thought this.

I also picked up stories of Eagle Scouts doing much cooler things in the old days than we were allowed to. It really felt to me, even in the 90s, that I was coming in even after the good old days were over. And yet the decline in the 30 years since is clearly palpable.

Needless to say, I didn't make Eagle Scout.

Reminds me of the Tony Soprano line, from the pilot: "It's good to be in something from the ground floor, and I came too late for that, I know. But lately I've been getting a feeling that I came at the end. The best is over."

All that said, if your local Troop is working, then it's working, right? There are more conservative / Christian alternatives to the Boy Scouts, but I would think the correct individual decision, if you want this kind of activity, is to invest in your best local organization. The national org is mostly only relevant for things like summer camps, and even that you can do without them, if you so choose.

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